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Daniel
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posted October 07, 2000 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by VAR:
Here is my roll call data
VAR

1. Male
2. I’m 33, W 31
3. Betrayed
4. 7
5. 3
6. Almost 2
7. About 6
8. Both EA&PA
9. 1
10. Plan A
11. Living Together
12. OP is divorced (wife had affair and left him two years ago)
13. Friend
14. Only mentioned in passing
15. MB (Wife not involved)
16. Two weeks

1. 3 children, 12 S, 6 D, 4 D
2. Currently we’re still together, so no custody issue
3. OM has two children, one is best friend w/ my 12 year old
4. I am in counseling, both with Steve Harley and elsewhere. My wife has been in counseling, but is currently angry with her counselor and has not scheduled a next appointment.
5. My wife is on Celexa
6. No
7. OM is a drinking buddy for her. That is part of where connection started.
8. No
9. No
10. She has voiced the idea that things would be simpler if she were gone, nothing more.
11. No
12. Any encouragement is greatly appreciated. Some days I feel strong and like I have a plan, other days I am bewildered and empty, and on those days I look to the forum here hoping for hope.



You sound like your where I'm at. I sometimes think I'll wake up and it will be over. That is if I can get to sleep.

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snugglermi
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posted October 14, 2000 02:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for snugglermi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay here is my information:
Female: 37 years old
Betrayed
Husband: 43 years old
Married since 1988
Lived together 1 year 6 mo before married.
H. had/is having an on line affair EA
OW: lives in another state
OW: Married w/children
OW: Emails H. daily
Husband in Martial Arts Instructor/Musician
D-Day:9/15/00, I hacked into his email
Three beautiful children: B-12yo; d-10 yo; d-7yo
Husband doesn't work often, has few students
I work 52 hours weekly to support.
1984 I lost my leg in motorcycle accident. No drugs/alcohol abuse
Verbal abuse on both sides
No domestic abuse, no STD's. no OC that is known, No PA that is known. No gay/lesbian issues. Suicide- attempted one time in 1985 after loss of leg, before marriage.

Only been posting a few times, we are still together but H. says he needs his space. I don't know if H. is still emailing OW. I know that I love him, and through God's power I hope to reconcile.

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toohurtforwords
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posted October 18, 2000 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for toohurtforwords     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is me:

Female
Me 29/ Him 31
I am the betrayed
11 years living together (hapily I thought)
2 years dating prior
1 year since discovery
4 months before discovery and still continues in some capacity
Both PA & EA
2nd A
Living seperate for about 6 months
He is not living with OP - OP is 31 & still living at home with parents
OP is single
OP was sort of friend, I guess but more like acquaintence.
Total seperation discussed and occaisonally requested by him.
Reading books and using Forum
2 months

1 Boy 3 1/2 years old.
lives with me
No counseling yet, he won't go.
No medication - no insurance or extra $$$
He began drinking shortly before A
Drank quite heavily for a while OW is known around town as a "partier"

I am 5ft 5in
weigh about 97lbs (105 before A) not real proud of that.
Long Brown hair
Brown eyes (very sad)

I am open for any suggestions, Unfortunatley I was a long way into this before I found MB site and did alot of LBing. Not sure where we are headed or if we are even going together.

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Cindiwa
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posted October 18, 2000 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cindiwa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1. Female
2. 26 - 29
3. Possibly Betrayed
4. 2 1/2
5. 1 1/2
6. 2
7. 6
8. Emotional Affair
9. ??
10. Something Else
11. Living Together
12. Single
13. from Internet
14. discussed / by me
15. None Yet
16. 1

No children, discusse counceling (but no), no medications (H won't), no, no, no

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out of the fog
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posted October 18, 2000 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for out of the fog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1. Female
2. Your Age: 32 ; and Spouse's Age: 32
3. Betrayed ; but previously I had an affair ; and while we were dating he slept with my (former) best friend.
4. 6 years married
5. 3 years have known spouse before marriage
6. less than 1 month since "discovery"/admission ; 2+ months since "where is our marriage going?" and separation
7. ? months total length of the affair
8. Emotional Affair, maybe some physical. (All indications are that it's now a physical affair.)
9. # of Affairs?
His one-nighter with my best friend
My affair
His current EA (strike that - PA)
10. Reading, trying to move into plan A.
11. Living separate (2+ months, he's with his parents)
12. OW is single, recently broke engagement (He ran off with a married woman, the wife of a friend of my H's.)
13. OP is a friend (had crush on OM with whom I had affair) [I feel like I should be writing for a soap opera!]
14. Has divorce been: discussed. Seriously contemplated by H.
15. Following principles of: None yet. I'm just starting to read MB.
16. 2 weeks (?) on the Marriage Builders forums


1. 1 daughter of the marriage (age 2, almost 3)
2.Who has physical custody? She's with me.
3.Are there Other Children(OCs) involved (pregancy wrt to wayward)? No.
4.In counseling? Yes.
Me - Dr. and therapist
Us - marriage counselor
H - is supposed to make appt., but hasn't yet. (Is now seeing a therapist for anger counseling.)
5.On medication/anti-depressants?… What kind?
Yes - Effexor XR and Nortriptyline (to be weaned)

6.Mid-Life Crisis involved? Not sure.
7.Alcoholism involved? No.
8.Has there been STD as a result of affair? No. (Hope not.)
9.Abuse? No.
10.Suicide attempted? No.
11.Lesbian/Gay issues? No.
12.Anything Else…it's completely up to you…

His 'friends'. I used to be accepted by them, now I'm not. [This is a major issue.] OW is accepted.

Communication is the other big issue, probably the biggest.

Finances are another big issue.

And him taking our D around the OW and playing what I like to call 'happy family'.

[This message has been edited by out of the fog (edited November 15, 2000).]

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waiting4ever
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posted October 20, 2000 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for waiting4ever     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Female
Age 42 H-43
Possibly Betrayed / 2 EAs
Married for 20 years and dated for five before that (met in 1975)

Number of years or months before discovery -H has had emotional relationship with a married co-worker for quite a few years and I found out about another woman obsessed with him in 1995 (Husband denies that this is anything to worry about, but this has been a problem for me for years).

Currently in plan A but living separate for 20 months. He's with his mother right now. I did let him move home last winter while I went elsewhere. So I was with kids in home for about half of the time and he had the home half the time. I thought of letting him move back again and I move out to housesit but not sure.

Divorce has been discussed, he is confused and I used to threaten him while we were together to get him to notice me but once we really separated I KNEW I had made a mistake.

I am trying to follow MB principles and he isn't doing anything. I've been on the forum since mid Sept. but read the book years ago.

3 Kids with me and no OC
I'm in counseling and have spoken with Dr. Harley once. Husband doesn't want to.

I am on Prozac, it does help, I've had bouts of depression off and on my whole adult life. Husband says this is part of problem.

I think he's in MLC, just wants to have fun and no more stress, responsibility etc.
No alcoholsim, no std (no PA I think)
No abuse (other that ignoring me)
No suicide
No gay/lesbian issues


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HurtingDeeply
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posted October 20, 2000 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HurtingDeeply     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1. Male
2. Both of us are 31
3. Betrayed
4. 6 Years Married
5. Knew each other 5 Years Before Married
6. Discovered Her Affair 9/12/2000
7. Affair was 4 months
8. Both EA and PA
9. 2 Affairs (both her) - the other was 9 years ago before we were married.
10. Currently in Plan A
11. Still living together
12. OM is married
13. OM is co-worker
14. Hoping beyond hope there is no divorce
15. Trying to follow principals of MB
16. Just started on forum

1. One beautiful daughter (2-1/2 yrs old)
2. Both have custody
3. No pregnancy in this affair (yes in first w/ abortion)
4. No counseling (yet)
5. No medication (yet)
6. No midlife crisis, alcoholism, STD, suicide attempts, or lesbian/gay issues.

[This message has been edited by HurtingDeeply (edited October 20, 2000).]

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Dee7929
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posted October 21, 2000 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee7929     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here it is - Count me in:
1. female
2. me-41/H-44
3. betrayed
4. married 20 years (21 in Feb)
5. knew & worked together for 2 years before marriage
6. D-Day: July 21, 2000
7. since Nov, 1999 (H supposedly stopped the PA in June, but continued the EA into Aug) H is still struggling with feelings for OW, but "has them under control" - alrighty then!
8. both EA/PA
9. 2 known (the first one 12 years ago when I was pregnant with our 3rd child - nice,huh?) Which I just found out about recently - I suspected & he denied all these years
10. I am attempting Plan A - H hasn't read the book yet, but agrees with alot of the principals so far.
11. living together
12. OW - single
13. OW is a co-worker of both of us (makes life one big bowl of cherries at work)
14. divorce has been discussed, but quickly dismissed so far
15. unofficially trying to follow MB
16. found the site the end of Sept (thankfully)

The rest of the details!
1. 3 georgeous & terrific kids (18f/16m/12f)
2. joint
3. no
4. just tried it this week - disastrous!! I felt like I took 20 steps backward. Am now really fearful of trying again!
5. no meds, but sometimes feel like I need it to help cope.
6. not sure - always a possibility
7. no alcoholism
8. Thankfully not - I made H get checked
9. no abuse (unless you call ignoring each others needs abuse)
10. no suicide attempts or thoughts
11. no gay or lesbian issues

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Hope We Will Love Again
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posted October 30, 2000 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hope We Will Love Again     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay. Here’s my profile.
1. Male
2. 54 yo W=46 yo
3. W is WS (I agree with Lynton; don’t like term “betrayed”)
4. 11/7/00 is 25 year anniversary
5. W and I knew each other 1.5 years before marriage
6. 46 days since "discovery" (but seems like 6 months)
7. On D-day W said length of the affair had been less than 2 months
8. Both Emotional Affair & Physical Affair (On D-day W said she’s found true love and never felt this way before.)
9. W never had affair before; I had one affair in first marriage 33 years ago; first wife had several affairs during 9 years of marriage
10. Current plan: Not sure what plan I’m in, if any. From D-day on I lobbied for joint counseling without success. One month after D-day W informed me she and OM have already talked about getting married next year. That put me over the edge. I told W that I was giving up trying to rescue the marriage by myself, but that I wasn’t giving up hope that she might somehow change her mind. Shortly after that, I told her she should stay away since we (me and our two dogs) were trying to learn how to live a life without her. (I guess that’s similar to a Plan B-type approach, although at that time I hadn’t yet discovered MB or read SAA.)
11. Living separate since D-day. W lives with married friends of ours. Best I can tell W spends most time with OM. Tells others she won’t move in with him because it “wouldn’t be appropriate since she’s still married.”
12. OM is divorced and has a 10 yo daughter who visits with him
13. OM was known to me but not a friend. He shares a recreational activity with W.
14. Divorce has been requested by W and will soon be filed by me. I do not want it and have told her so. I am following advice of lawyer and personal counselor who have advised me to at least begin the process.
15. Before finding MB I was following “seat of the pants” principles. I am hoping I’m smart enough and strong enough to learn and apply the wonderful advice that seems to be available here at MB.
16. Just discovered MB a week or so ago. This is my first posting. I hope to post and ask for specific advice in soon.

Very personal… Very optional…
(no need to respond to these unless you think you want to/can help someone)
1. There are no children from this marriage; I have three grown sons from first marriage.
2. Who has physical custody? (We both love our two dogs as if they were our children … I have custody.)
3. Are there Other Children (OCs) involved (pregnancy wrt to wayward)? No
4. In counseling? W’s employer offers counseling through Employee Assistance Program. W has seen counselor to help her “deal with her guilt.” I have seen one to help me deal with the pain. I am considering contacting Harley’s.
5. On medication/anti-depressants? None yet … but I’m thinking maybe I should try St. Johns Wort since it’s over the counter and several others have mentioned it here.
6. Mid-Life Crisis involved? Possibly. W has used the following phrase several times: “I’m 46 years old and … “
7. Alcoholism involved? No
8. Has there been STD as a result of affair? Not to my knowledge
9. Abuse? No
10. Suicide attempted? No
11. Lesbian/Gay issues? No
12. Anything Else… There’s so much else to say, but that will no doubt become evident as I begin to post for advice.

[This message has been edited by Hope We Will Love Again (edited October 30, 2000).]

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oswald
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posted October 31, 2000 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oswald     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Male
Both 35
Betrayed
Married 6 yrs
Known Spouse for lifetime dated/lived together 2 yrs B-4 marriage
1 Month since D-Day
Affair lasted 3 months
Both EA&PA
No Plan, both agree to counseling and to fix this mess.
Living together
OM is getting married in a month they have a 2 yr old. (Poor girl, she’s a future guest here)
Following principles of MB and other reference material.
She has 1 child from previous marriage (this has been a source of conflict) We have custody but he went to live with father this year. Decision came about the same time “A” started.
No Meds, No suicide, No Alcohol, No STD’s , No abuse, no gay stuff
No mid life crisis, though I’m contemplating it.

I didn’t get a vote in the “A”. But I do in the recovery, I’ve have taken the attitude that this can’t hurt me anymore, I’m going to learn all I can about why this happens and do my damnedest to prevent future relapses. I am eager to get back to being myself.

[This message has been edited by oswald (edited November 21, 2000).]

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Lynton
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posted November 03, 2000 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lynton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi guys,
My life story,(hey!, wake up!)

Male(me)
Me 46, she 30 (I'm well preserved)
I'm betrayed( more I was the absentee husband)
married 8 years
knew each other one year before marriage (I knew on the second date I wanted her to be my wife!)
It's been one year since discovery.
PA lasted one to two months, wife pregnant by OM (conception occurred near my birthday. Nice )
This is the only affair
I am currently in plan A (Although sometimes it seems like "Plan nine from outer-space")
Have remained together, (logistically at least), throughout.
OP is divorced, no children. Wife and OM dated before our marriage, wife didn't know he was married at the time, she ended it when she found out. OM has since divorced.
OM was co-worker
Divorce only mentioned in the heat of a couple arguments.
I have been following MB, makes a lot of sense to me.
I have been lurking for a year, participating for a couple of months.
We have a seven year old girl. I have an eighteen year old boy and a sixteen year old girl by a previous marriage. (Boy is a freshman at Duke, he's scarry smart, girl is beautiful, loving, wants to be an art teacher.)
Our seven year old is a joy. She is happy, bright, beautiful, a sweet natured little girl.
My ex has physical custody of the two older kids.
My little Angel is a product of the A.
She is the happiest, sweetest little baby.
I had one session with Jennifer.
Wife had one session with Jennifer, considered her advice to sever contact with OM and take Angel to another part of the country out of the question.
Wife on Prozac.
I'm on wellbutrin and crack.(Just kidding about the crack.
I've been in mid life crisis since I was twenty one.
No alcohol,(maybe thats the problem)
No STD'S.
No abuse.
No suicide attempts.
No gay issues.(Although lately I've thought about it. Hey, it opens up your dating prospects by 100%!)

I don't mean to come across as flippant, or that I think our situations are something to joke about. I try to hold on to my sense of humor, because I had lost it and was taking myself way to seriously. I think that is part of the reason I am where I am. If someone gets a chuckle or two reading this, than I have helped in a small way, right?

God bless you all,

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Lynton

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Not Giving Up
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posted November 05, 2000 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Not Giving Up     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Female.
Me:35 yo;H:33 yo.
Betrayed.
7 years married.
Knew 2 yrs before married.
4 months since d-day;A ended by H 8 mths prior.
A lasted 4 mths(6/99 to 9/99).
Physical Affair.
One Affair.
Currently trying to recover since d-day 7/00.
Living together.
OP divorced twice, single at time of Affair.
OP is co-worker.
Effects of Divorce has been discussed.
Not following any particular principles.
4 mths on MB forums,Gen. Quest. II, and Pregnancy/Child.

Have 2 children, girls 3&5, pregnant with boy,due 8 days ago!!!!
OC born 5/00, how A was revealed, received court papers asking for Child Support in mail.
Counseling alone/ and together.
Starting anti-depressants after birth,Prozac.
No to mid-life, alcoholism, abuse, suicide, gay/lesbian.
I tested neg to STDs. Will have H to test before we resume intimacy, not emotionally
ready yet.

At this time we are pretty much existing. I am hiding behind a wall that I have been building for about 2 months now. Therapy is on hold due to pregnancy, and the fact that I want to change therapists. H does seem sincere that he wants to work things out.

[This message has been edited by Not Giving Up (edited November 05, 2000).]

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worthatry
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posted November 05, 2000 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for worthatry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1.Male
2. 46/wife(WS) 44
3.Betrayed
4.16 years married
5. 4 years have known spouse before marriage
6. 5 months since "discovery"/Pre-discovery
7. 5 months total length of the affair
8. Emotional Affair/ Physical Affair
9. ## of Affairs 1
10.Currently in: Plan A 4 months
11.Living separate(2 1/2 of months w/out OP)
12.OP is: married/separated
13.OP is: a friend
14.Has divorce been: discussed a little
15.Following principles of:MB
16. 2 months on the Marriage Builders forums

1. 1 son age 12; one deceased son age 8 1/2 (8/99)
2.Joint custody of son
3. NO OCs
4.In counseling with Harley's (only BS)
5.On Zoloft, atavan
6.Mid-Life Crisis involved? possibly
7.Alcoholism involved? No
8.Has there been STD? No
9.Abuse? No
10.Suicide attempted? No
11.Lesbian/Gay issues? No
12.Wife (WS) still grieving and on anti-deps due to loss of son (8/99) - A could be crisis related

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blindsided123
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posted November 07, 2000 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blindsided123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1. Female
2. 32 and 44
3. betrayed
4. Less than a year
5. 5 years
6. 1 month
7. 3 moths possible more
8. both
9. 1 I think
10. Divorce on the horizon
11. Living apart 3 months now..
12. married 5 kids all living with them.
13. co-worker (partner at work)
14. After discovery I asked that he file.
15. MB
16. 4 months

Personal:
1. H has 3-1 lived with us (16YO D) others are grown-none of our own.
2. H
3. No
4. It was all a lie to him.
5. none-vitamins and lots of water
6. Not sure.
7. Not alcoholism but I drink on regular outings with friends-has become an issue. I have since quit.
8. No
9. Mental on his part
10. Not an option
11. No
12. I miss the man that I thought I married. No longer want the man he has become. Still believe in marriage, just not with him. Too many lies, too much distrust. Just wish things could have been differnt.


[This message has been edited by blindsided123 (edited January 17, 2001).]

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seagull
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posted November 08, 2000 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seagull     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Male
Im 43, W is 44
Betrayed
Almost 20 years married
Together for 8 years before marriage
Dday - Saturday, Nov. 4, 2000
Affair lasted about 2 weeks
EA
First affair
Currently in Plan A
Living together
OM is single
OM is (was?) a close friend.
Separation hinted at, at first, but not since.
Following principles of MB
5 days on MB

3 boys (15,13 and 8) all with us.
No counseling - as yet.
Yes, I'm pretty sure a mid-life crisis, on both our parts, is what brought this about.

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